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Posts: 1868 (06/13/09 5:56 AM) |
Just curious. Given that he admits that he arrived as an undocumented (illegal) immigrant, did he show evidence of citizenship in order to register to run? If
not it would certainly seem appropriate to request it of him (and all persons running for elective office here). Would we hire a former bank robber as the
fiscal manager?
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why stop there fogu2...has anyone seen his birth certificate?
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Posts: 1868 (06/13/09 7:36 AM) |
Don't need to. He's already said he was an illegal immigrant. He was not born here. He is not qualified to run for office if he is not a U.S. citizen.
Is he IN FACT a U.S citizen? Why should he (and everyone else) not have to prove this, especially given the fact that he was (and still may be) an illegal? Would he sponsor or support legislation requiring proof of citizenship to run for all elective offices? If not, why not? In the wake of the Ed Jew experience why must we assume that candidates are both qualified and truthful regarding that? Proof of citizenship and residency should be the absolute minimum requirements.
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friscobill |
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the straight white male from pacific heights gets rich of the poor and working class people of san francisco and the world. and they need the police to keep
down these very same people who struggle every day to make ends meet. as for the fire department it has been nothing but a straight (as far as we know, lots of
men with muscles living together) white male fraternity, that has dupped the public into believing thier stories of being heros, I have saw citizens jump into
buring buildings, homeless ones at that, before firemen, cops and firemen breed and expand thier power in times of fear and war, David Campos was right, this
budget liek this nation has always been set up to protect the wealthy white men from Pacific height in 2009 to the slave owners in 1899
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friscobill |
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the straight white male from pacific heights gets rich of the poor and working class people of san francisco and the world. and they need the police to keep
down these very same people who struggle every day to make ends meet. as for the fire department it has been nothing but a straight (as far as we know, lots of
men with muscles living together) white male fraternity, that has dupped the public into believing thier stories of being heros, I have saw citizens jump into
buring buildings, homeless ones at that, before firemen, cops and firemen breed and expand thier power in times of fear and war, David Campos was right, this
budget liek this nation has always been set up to protect the wealthy white men from Pacific height in 2009 to the slave owners in 1899
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Posts: 1868 (06/13/09 9:23 AM) |
Hey friscobill, impressive first post. How did you find your way here?
The budget provides literally hundreds of millions of dollars in handouts to people who pay no taxes and many who are not citizens of the U.S. That cuts are happening across the board is completely appropriate. That unions are not being foced to make concession is not. This is a perfect time to shut down Homeless Inc. and the union abuse. A half-wit Supervisor making blatant racist and classist remarks is absolutely unacceptable. Now, howzabout insisting that Campos prove he's a citizen or be removed from office.
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Fog, judging from the text, I think you're talking to a former Black Panther who just awoke from an opium induced coma after 40 years. The law and
fairness are tools of the man, don't ya know, to keep a brotha down
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Chrysippus |
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Friscobill,
Does David Campos agree with the statements you have made above? If so, I hope he stands up at the board of supes and proclaims them to the world. It will be a fascinating spectacle to watch, especially by the families of officers who have fallen in the line of duty.
Isaac Espinoza, Slain in the Course of Duty
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fogu2..you probably believe that Obama wasn't born in the US either..have you seen his birth certificate?
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Posts: 1868 (06/13/09 11:06 AM) |
Obama never admitted to being an illegal immigrant, Campos has.
Obama has willingly shown evidence of being born in the U.S. when it was questioned. Campos has said he was not born here. The question of whether Campos is a U.S. citizen is justified by his own admitted history. Was David Campos a citizen of the U.S. when he ran for Supervisor? He is the one that needs to provide the evidence, not me. If, when and how he became a citizen should be simple for him to provide. A U.S. Passport or proof of citizenship is easily obtainable by him...if they exist.
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Chrysippus |
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David Campos is the one who has repeatedly stressed to the media that he was once an undocumented immigrant. He is the one who pushed this matter into the
public forum. He did so with gusto and pride, insisting that his status as an undocumented immigrant had political implications.
So it's entirely proper for voters to weigh, debate, and question these implications. Among such questions are these, as noted above in prior posts: When did he cease to be undocumented? How did he cease to be undocumented? Can he prove that he is legally qualified to sit on the board of supes?
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PublicServiceAnnouncement |
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I seem to remember in the campaign that candidate Campos claimed to be a naturalized citizen. But, while his Guatemalan roots and illegal beginnings are
highlighted on his campaign website, there is no mention of his naturalization or current citizenship status. It would be interesting to know when his
citizenship process occurred and how that intersected with his schooling (public at first?) and later scholarship assistance or loans (I assume) for tuition
fees to complete his "BA, Stanford, 1993; Law Degree, Harvard, 1996". Very pricey private-institution degrees, both.
About David from campaign website Really, his story is one of American bootstrap success. No problem with that. In fact, it should be applauded as the "good immigrant, productive immigrant" story. Except, at least for me, the choking irony of a man who has taken advantage of every opportunity for private success this country has to offer (now including public office), joining forces with an ideology (progressivism) that is at war with the very story of this country itself, whereby the private individual is supposed to be free from government interference and allowed to sink or swim based on his own merit and talent. |
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Chrysippus |
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Public Service Announcement,
Thanks for your thoughtful and informative post above. Judging by David Campos' behavior, I never would have guessed that he had a good education. His foolish blunders have been many, and detailed on this chatboard. For example: *He crafted a resolution calling for the suspension of federal prosecution of marijuana, but in such a clumsy way as to exempt dealers from any federal laws if they complied with state laws. *He led an assault on the U.S. Attorney for Northern California, in the name of "better process," but in such an arbitrary way as to disallow any testimony from the Attorney himself and any public comment. *His big priority as chair of the Public Safety Committee has been to restore the granting of sanctuary to young illegal immigrants suspected of felonies, even though he himself acknowledged that such persons have been involved in the murder of several San Franciscans. *He makes excuses for the sterile record of the Public Safety Committee under his predecessor, Ross Mirkarimi, and continues the same sterility himself. *He is in denial about the fact that the city has an ongoing crime and grime crisis. *He claims that the police budget reflects the interests of wealthy, straight, white males, overlooking (for example) the sacrifice of Officer Isaac Espinoza, who was slain while fighting crime in a poor, minority neighborhood. *He boasts of the fact of having been an illegal immigrant, which is an insult to every immigrant who has struggled to enter this country legally. My guess is that the problem with David Campos is that he rose too quickly in the hierarchy of power at the supes, and the elevation went to his head. From never having held elective office before, he suddenly became chair of the important Public Safety Committee. All of which goes to show that even a good education is no substitute for good judgment. The March of Folly prevails too often in human affairs.
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Posts: 1868 (06/14/09 9:35 AM) |
Mr. Campos, if you are still monitoring this I'd suggest you get your ducks in a row or circle the wagons.
You (and all other Supervisors) can expect to be ordered to prove your citizenship in short order. If you registered to vote without proper documentation of citizenship you are likely in violation of local, state and federal law. If you ran for office using voter registration (which is required for eligibility) you acquired through falsified information you will be removed from office. For any muckraking reporters monitoring the Wall...you might want to get to work on this one. I smell a scoop. "Mr. Campos, how and when did you become a naturalized citizen and do you have documentation?" Time to send a few emails and make a few calls..... |
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The remarkable thing is that someone as hostile to law enforcement, and also as inexperienced, as David Campos could be appointed chair of the Public Safety
Committee.
Campos' appointment reflects poorly on David Chiu, the board prez, who put Campos in that position. But Chiu also is remarkable, in that he became board prez without ever having held elective office before. Chiu's selection, in turn, reflects poorly on the Six Guys Club - the six male progressives who now run the board of supes. Four of them are ideologically driven rookies - John Avalos, David Campos, David Chiu, and Eric Mar. And two of them are veteran ideologues - Chris Daly and Ross Mirkarimi. Combine inexperience with ideological bravado, and you get a board that readily goes off the deep end. And at the other end of City Hall, we have an M.I.A. mayor who loves to spend the day looking at himself in the mirror. Heaven help San Francisco!
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David Campos |
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By the way, just wanted to thank many of you, especially Mr. Arthur (Can't believe Latinos can be educated) Evans, for proving with his vitriol that
hatred, ignorance and anti-immigrant sentiments are well and thriving in San Francisco.
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It would be interesting to know when his citizenship process occurredAssuming the previous respondent is actually Supervisor David Campos, did he just dodge the question? |
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Crazy?
Crazy? Allow me to put it this way. I like to think that personally I "get it" about immigration. Personally I'm all for non-citizen stakeholder voting for institutions such as the school board, for example. But as we saw in past elections, a majority of San Franciscans are not. Indeed, many immigrants are against things like non-citizen voting and allowing use on matriculas as ID. As obsolescent as citizenship may be as an institution, most people still value it, especially those who went through the system to earn it. I suspect that most here are focusing on how Campos got citizenship, which is ultimately irrelevant, because Mr. Campos seems to keep focusing on race. Mr. Campos seems to think anyone who values citizenship as an institution is a racist. Seems to me that Mr. Campos and his colleagues should focus on triaging the real needs in a public safety budget rather than trying to use the budget process to punish people for perceived cronyism or racism. Are we going to punitively defund MUNI because their drivers are rude, or because they're stealing thousands a week from the fare count room, or because of drug dealing in the maintenance yards, or hundreds of thousands being wasted on "fare recovery" schemes? No. So why do such with the police and fire budget. Remove the cronyism-favored padding and make the rest work. Do your jobs.
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Chrysippus |
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We have to be careful in assumptions about the identity of posters here. Just because a poster uses the handle of "David Campos" doesn't mean
that the poster is the supe of that name.
It's best to rely on the public record of David Campos, the supe, in evaluating his merit as chair of the Public Safety Committee. David Campos' public record, as amply shown in this thread, is not an inspiring one. |
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